Wednesday, October 10, 2012

The Rumble


I watched this on youtube today before they took it down. It's over an hour and there is a good bit of sillyness in it particularly in first ten minutes but it's worth a look all the same. It's a solid debate between two men I respect. You can still see it on the link below if you're willing to pay a fiver. Anyway my hectic wedding season is over as are my exams so you can expect full time blogging between now and the presidential election.

7 comments:

Cranky Notions said...

I thought it was very funny!

JP said...

Ted, what is it in particular about Mr. O'Reilly that you respect???

Ted Leddy said...

I laughed at it too John.

A very welcome relief from the choreography and spin that we have been seeing and can expect to see over the next five weeks.

Ted Leddy said...

JP

I respect his honesty as a pundit. He is openly right wing but he gives everyone a fair chance. He is tough on the spin artists of the left and right. He may be highly critical of President Obama but he doesn't cheap shot him at every opportunity, unlike everyone else at Fox News.

JP said...

Ted, I would dispute that he gives everyone a fair chance. Mostly in my experience he interrupts, shouts down and bulldozes over opinions that he disagrees with. He also uses expressions like "pinheads on the left" and "far left crazies" to describe even moderately left opinions while giving the truly demented on the right - Glenn Beck springs to mind - pretty much a free pass. Stewart (who O'Reilly seems to respect and have a good relationship with) has called him out before on being selective with his outrage. Plus his famous no spin zone is anything but. I could cite more recent examples, but the one that has always stuck in my mind is where he claimed that his called for boycott of French goods had hurt the French economy according to the Paris Business Review - no such publication actually existing of course, while at the same time US imports of French goods had actually increased. I consider him to be a pompous blowhard, although I will give him kudos for turning up to places where he knows his views will not be well received and fighting his corner.

Ted Leddy said...

JP

You are right on the French Boycott and it is a great example of these media anchors thinking they are somehow part of the decision making process. Many of them suffer from delusions regarding their own roles and sense of importance.

O'Reilly is pure cable media. He is ratings and controversy. That is the world we are talking about. I see very little difference in lets say MSNBC and Fox news. The only difference is one is soldidly behind the Dems, the other the Reps. Their tactics are the same.

He is a right winger and at times a bully. But unlike Hannity, Beck and the others the guy actually qualifies as a professional journalist that could make it in another media outlet. He draws in the crowd by courting controversy and by being abrupt, I concede that, but at least he backs it up with knowledge and some integrity. If the Dems or Obama do something he approves of he acknowledges and praises it. The others at Fox univerally spin events to make Obama look bad. We must remember, he is not a reporter, he is an opinion guy so it is ok if he has certain views as long as he is open about it.

JP said...

Well now, we're wandering into a conversation about the truly abominable state of US news journalism, the role of the fourth estate and the giving away of the airwaves, which is a whole different thing. Agree with you that Olbermann is just as bad as O'Reilly - the only difference being that I think he aspires to be Edward Murrow, but the fact that those appear to be your choices just indicates what a truly lamentable state it is.